Thinking About Teaching, the Fear of False Rape Accusations and the Erotics of the Classroom

February 21st, 2006 § 2 comments

The dis­cus­sion of “women who don’t call it rape” at Alas, A Blog is pretty much over, I guess, but one of the ques­tions that came up was how to deal with men’s fear of false rape accu­sa­tions. One par­tic­i­pant in the dis­cus­sion, Poly­math, wrote what I thought was a really hon­est com­ment about his own con­flict­ing feel­ings about false accu­sa­tions. There were a lot of prob­lems with his post, which peo­ple in the dis­cus­sion, includ­ing myself, com­mented on, but one thing he said that hit home with me — because I am, like him, a teacher — was not picked up on in a seri­ous way, and I’d like to give it some atten­tion here. What Poly­math wrote was this:

i mean, my career (as a teacher) could be ruined by one upset, trou­bled, deluded 14-year-old kid (girl or boy) who wanted revenge and accused me of even improp­erly look­ing at him or her.

In many ways, of course, Polymath’s fear is irra­tional. I will not say that such accu­sa­tions don’t hap­pen, but for a teacher to walk around in con­stant fear of such an accu­sa­tion — which may not be true of Poly­math in real life, but his com­ment cer­tainly makes it sound like it is — sim­ply does not strike me as a ratio­nal thing to do. Not only, as I said in my response to his com­ment, will a good inves­tiga­tive process — and, in my expe­ri­ence, most aca­d­e­mic insti­tu­tions have one — make it very dif­fi­cult for a false accu­sa­tion to stick, much less ruin a career; but, and per­haps more to the point, to imag­ine that lev­el­ling false rape accu­sa­tions is cen­tral to the way girls and women think about men is both self-centered in the extreme and to project onto women what is essen­tially a male way of think­ing about rape, i.e., as a way of doing dam­age to some­one. In other words, it is to imag­ine that women think about rape not in terms of their own (actual or poten­tial) vic­tim­iza­tion, but of how to turn their own vic­tim­iza­tion into a way of vic­tim­iz­ing men. (I also think that Q Grrrl’s response to Poly­math is par­tic­u­larly apt.)

None of this means, of course, that false accu­sa­tions don’t occur or that they are to be taken lightly when they do. Indeed, I have been think­ing about the on-the-job aspect of Polymath’s post for a while now pre­cisely because there have been at least four times in my career as a col­lege pro­fes­sor when I have had to be con­cerned that a woman could make false accu­sa­tions against me, not of rape, or at least I was not wor­ried that she would accuse me of rape — which of course doesn’t mean she wouldn’t have — but rather of an action­able sex­ual impro­pri­ety. What I have to say about these inci­dents really doesn’t belong in the thread on Alas, A Blog, though, so I am going to post it here, giv­ing the inci­dents in chrono­log­i­cal order, start­ing from about the sec­ond year of my full-time col­lege teach­ing career and end­ing with some­thing that hap­pened in the eleventh or twelfth.

Before I get to my sto­ries, though, it is extremely impor­tant for me to make clear what I am not say­ing: I am not say­ing that these women are in any way rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the hun­dreds of women I have taught in more than twenty years of teach­ing, six­teen of them at the same insti­tu­tion. And I want to under­line that: I am talk­ing about five women in four sep­a­rate inci­dents over more than twenty years. Clearly not a major­ity and, as clearly, not a sig­nif­cant minor­ity. Nor am I say­ing that any of these women would in fact ever have con­sid­ered lodg­ing a false com­plaint against me. Rather, what I am inter­ested in talk­ing about is why I had to be con­cerned about the possibility.

Inci­dent 1: At the time of this inci­dent, about two years after I started teach­ing at the insti­tu­tion where I work now, I was the Eng­lish as a Sec­ond Lan­guage (ESL) Place­ment Coör­di­na­tor for the col­lege. One of my respon­si­bil­i­ties was to judge whether stu­dents had been accu­rately placed into the classes for which they had reg­is­tered and, if not, move them into the right class.

Dur­ing the sec­ond week of class, I moved a woman out of the class I was teach­ing and into a higher level. When she came back to my class a cou­ple of weeks later and asked to make an appoint­ment to see me, I assumed she wanted to talk about the new class and to thank me for mov­ing her — some­thing stu­dents occa­sion­ally did, espe­cially when, like her, they had been so obvi­ously mis­placed to begin with. When she came to my office for the appoint­ment, how­ever, after some hum­ming and haw­ing, she propo­si­tioned me, ask­ing if I would go with her that night, right then, to a nearby hotel. (She was mar­ried with chil­dren and knew that I knew it, and she knew that I was married.)

I told her no, but I was a whole lot less expe­ri­enced and/or con­fi­dent than I am now, and so when she started to press me about why I was say­ing no, I didn’t have the pres­ence of mind to point out to her how inap­pro­pri­ate her ques­tions were and to tell her, sim­ply, to leave. So I told her I wouldn’t go with her because we were both mar­ried and because I was a teacher and she was a stu­dent. She responded that we were about the same age — which was true; in fact, I think she was older than I was by a year or two — so the student-teacher thing didn’t mat­ter and, as for being mar­ried, peo­ple did it all the time. When I told her that I wasn’t one of those peo­ple, she nonethe­less con­tin­ued to press me for an expla­na­tion, ask­ing me if it was because she wasn’t pretty enough, if it was because she wasn’t white (she was Hat­ian), and so on.

At this point, I felt that I was into the con­ver­sa­tion too deeply sim­ply to end it and I began to worry, given her ques­tions, about how she would respond if I rejected her out of hand. There were no other fac­ulty mem­bers in the build­ing and so if she did respond to my rejec­tion of her by accus­ing me of some­thing I didn’t do, it would have been my word against hers and, frankly, that fright­ened me. Again, I want to be clear: She gave me no indi­ca­tion that she would have done such a thing, but I did not know how sta­ble or unsta­ble she was, and so what I am talk­ing about is a fear I had based on my assess­ment of the sit­u­a­tion, and, given the circumstances, I think I would have been fool­ish not to take the pos­si­bil­ity of some sort of false accu­sa­tion into con­sid­er­a­tion. So I kept talk­ing to her and even­tu­ally, I don’t remem­ber pre­cisely how, the con­ver­sa­tion turned to her own under­ly­ing unhap­pi­ness with her sex­ual rela­tion­ship with her hus­band. This dif­fused the ten­sion between us, and the con­ver­sa­tion ended after a lit­tle bit more talk and then she left. She made no more overt passes at me dur­ing the course of the semes­ter, though she always smiled know­ingly when saw me on cam­pus and when she came to see me in my office with legit­i­mate ques­tions she had about her classes and place­ment, she still tried to be flir­ta­tious, and so I always made sure that my office door was open and that, as much as pos­si­ble, a col­league was in hear­ing of what was going on.

When I think about this now, I have to acknowl­edge that it wasn’t only my inex­pe­ri­ence that kept me from estab­lish­ing a firmer dis­tance between myself and this woman. The truth is that I allowed the fact of her desire to flat­ter me — I found her very attrac­tive as well — and so I did not want to do what I know now is not only the right thing to do from the point of view of pro­fes­sion­al­ism, but is also the safest thing to do. Because the real­ity is that once I allowed the lines of pro­fes­sion­al­ism to blur — more to the point, once I allowed them to become blurred on terms that she dic­tated — I was no longer in con­trol of the sit­u­a­tion, and, as the pro­fes­sional, it was my respon­si­bil­ity to be in con­trol of the sit­u­a­tion, regard­less of the fact that she was a lit­tle bit older than I was. As well, and here we get a lit­tle bit into the ter­ri­tory that I think Poly­math was try­ing to get into on Alas, A Blog, if things had ever come down to her word against mine because she made a false accu­sa­tion, the fact that I had let the bound­aries blur would very likely have made it more dif­fi­cult for me to prove my case. That dif­fi­culty, how­ever, would have been one that I invited, not one that she was able to exploit sim­ply because she was a woman and I was a man and men prey sex­u­ally on women.

 

Inci­dent 2: A 19-year-old Korean woman from my ESL class comes to see me dur­ing my office hours. She tells me she is very con­fused about some­thing she read in the library, an exchange between two peo­ple writ­ten out on one of the desks. She copied it down, she tells me, because she thinks it’s really inter­est­ing and would like to know what I think. The dia­logue she has writ­ten down is between a woman who is won­der­ing about whether she it was eth­i­cal for her even to think about start­ing an affair with her teacher another woman who was advis­ing her against it. It was pretty clear from the way the “first” woman wrote that the teacher in ques­tion was me and also that my stu­dent was the author of both women’s voices.

After a minute or so of polite con­ver­sa­tion, I asked this stu­dent if the teacher men­tioned in the dia­logue was me. She said she was afraid to tell me because she was afraid I would kick her out of my office — which, of course, gave me my answer with­out her hav­ing actu­ally to say it, and here I need to stop to give you a lit­tle more back­ground infor­ma­tion about her. When she first entered my class, she would not speak at all, and while I am nor­mally per­fectly happy to let stu­dents who don’t want to speak in class remain silent, in an ESL class, where speak­ing is nec­es­sary, her silence was becom­ing a prob­lem. I asked her why she refused to speak and she wouldn’t answer me, so I changed the topic and started to talk about Korea, where I had been an Eng­lish teacher for a lit­tle more than a year. Once she knew I knew some­thing about Korea, she seemed to relax, and she began to tell me her story: Appar­ently, her father had come to the US some years ear­lier with the inten­tion of bring­ing her and her mother to be here with him. Along the way, how­ever, with­out first divorc­ing my student’s mother and with­out telling her either, he had mar­ried another woman. When my stu­dent and her mother arrived here, he pre­sented this other woman to them as his wife and he insisted that my stu­dent call this sec­ond wife “mom.” My stu­dent was, under­stand­ably, hor­ri­fied, wanted to go back to Korea and — here is what is most rel­e­vant to what I am telling you now — had decided that she hated men. She told me she was never going to get mar­ried and couldn’t under­stand how any woman would marry any man, ever. Once she told me her story, she began to open up a bit. She still didn’t talk in class very much, but at least she talked a lit­tle bit, and she would come to my office for extra help. Obvi­ously, she devel­oped a crush on me.

So, there we were, sit­ting in my office, and she was telling me with­out telling me that I was the teacher in the dia­logue she’d brought to show me, and that she was the stu­dent, and I told her that it made me happy she trusted me enough to share her feel­ings with me, which made her smile, but that it was pretty clear that we could never have the rela­tion­ship she’d envi­sioned in what she wrote. She asked me why not, and I pointed out the obvi­ous, that she was my stu­dent. She said she would wait till the semes­ter was over and that she would trans­fer to a dif­fer­ent school. So I pointed out the fact that I was much older than she was. Age, she responded, should not make a dif­fer­ence if two peo­ple really love each other. So I said that I was used to hav­ing rela­tion­ships with women who were more ind­pen­dent than she could be liv­ing at home with her mother and father. If I would be patient, she said, she would find a way to move out of her house and “catch up” with the kind of woman I was used to. Finally, I looked at her and reminded her that I was a man and that she hated men. That, she admit­ted with a smile, would be a prob­lem. When I sug­gested that it would there­fore be bet­ter if we remained friends, she agreed.

The con­ver­sa­tion ended there and we did, in fact, remain friends. She would come to my office to talk about her life every once in a while, and I had the plea­sure of watch­ing her begin to come out of the iso­la­tion she had imposed on her­self because of her shame about her father. She made friends with other women in the class, started to go out with them to dance or to the movies; and then she moved back to Korea, fell in love, and I have sit­ting some­where here in my office the most recent pic­ture she sent me of her and her hus­band and their son.

Now that I think about it, this inci­dent doesn’t really belong in a post about teach­ing and false rape accu­sa­tions, not so much because there was no dan­ger, but because the dan­ger that there was – for exam­ple, the pos­si­bil­ity that my stu­dent might have mis­in­ter­preted some­thing I said – had lit­tle to do with false accu­sa­tion. In other words, my stu­dent might have mis­in­ter­preted some­thing I said to indi­cate that I was inter­ested in her romantically/sexually, and that could have led to all sorts of prob­lems, but I don’t think she would pur­pose­fully have fab­ri­cated an accu­sa­tion against me. Indeed, now that I have writ­ten this inci­dent out – and it’s the first time I’ve done that – it occurs to me that what I am really inter­ested in in this post is the degree to which the col­lege class­room is an intensely erotic, and poten­tially highly eroticized, place.

I’m not nec­es­sar­ily talk­ing about teach­ers and stu­dents fuck­ing each other, but rather about how, because we inevitably bring all of who we are to the class­room, and because teach­ing and learn­ing are linked activ­i­ties that are all about desire and the ful­fill­ment of desire, the processes of teach­ing and learn­ing can­not help but some­times con­nect teach­ers and stu­dents in ways that they expe­ri­ence as dis­tinctly erotic. This is a sub­ject that makes many teach­ers dis­tinctly uncom­fort­able. In fact, I have more than a few col­leagues who have told me over the years that they make sure to leave their gen­der and their sex­u­al­ity out­side the class­room door. Assum­ing for the moment that such a thing is pos­si­ble, and I don’t think it is, what has always struck me is that these col­leagues make this state­ment with­out seem­ing to be aware that it is both a recog­ni­tion that the class­room is an erotic space and a stance that they take towards that eroticism.

I will say more about this later on in the post – though in the inter­est of full dis­clo­sure I should say that I met my wife when, but did not start dat­ing her until after, she was in my class. First I want to tell you about another incident:

Inci­dent 3: A woman in my Eng­lish as a Sec­ond Lan­guage (ESL) com­po­si­tion class comes to class dur­ing the first few days of the spring semes­ter wear­ing a see-through blouse with no bra. She sits directly in front of my desk. When class is over, she walks up to where I am sit­ting on the edge of the desk with a piece of paper in her hand, which she hands to me mum­bling some­thing about not being able to fig­ure out her sched­ule; it is clear from what she is ask­ing, though, that I am not the per­son who can give her the answer she needs. I take the paper from her any­way to see if I can be help­ful and she walks behind me to look over my shoul­der at the paper. While she is doing so, she pushes her breast up against my shoul­der blade and then stands on her toes — she is much shorter than I am — osten­si­bly to get a bet­ter look at the paper. The effect, though, is that she is rub­bing her breast against me. I pre­tend that I do not notice what is hap­pen­ing, give her the paper back and tell her that I can­not help her with her ques­tion, which was true. It felt to me like the look I saw in her eyes was in antic­i­pa­tion of  a sig­nal from me that I got her sig­nal, but I could have been mis­read­ing it; I do not think I am wrong, however, that the pouty and flir­ta­tious look of dis­ap­point­ment on her face when I told her I couldn’t help her had to do with more than the ques­tion she asked me. In the next cou­ple of classes, I made sure to men­tion more than a cou­ple of times that I was mar­ried and that I had a son who was in the cam­pus day care cen­ter. There were no fur­ther inci­dents after this.

I made sure to report what hap­pened to the chair of my depart­ment, and he advised me to keep a log of all my inter­ac­tions with this woman, which I did until it became clear that she was not inter­ested in repeat­ing what she’d done. Still, espe­cially because what I described above hap­pened so early in the semes­ter, before there was any kind of devel­oped teacher-student rela­tion­ship between us, it would have been stu­pid of me not to be as sus­pi­cious of her motives as pos­si­ble, and that included the pos­si­bil­ity that she might have been try­ing in some way to entrap me.

 

Inci­dent 4: This is the most com­plex of the inci­dents and it involves noth­ing even remotely resem­bling false rape accu­sa­tions. I was teach­ing a class called Advanced Essay. In this class were two women of color, one Hait­ian and the other Latina, who were very seri­ous about want­ing to be writ­ers. Each of them told me that one of her goals was to write books that would have a seri­ous social impact, and the first thing that each wanted to write about – I should add that they told me these things sep­a­rately and not so neatly as I am mak­ing it sound here – was her expe­ri­ence of child sex­ual abuse. And then each of these women made her expe­ri­ence of abuse the topic of an essay she wrote for my class. The essays, which showed real promise, but had all the hall­marks of a begin­ning writer strug­gling to deal with very dif­fi­cult auto­bi­o­graph­i­cal material, confronted me with a dif­fi­cult choice: Should I respond the way I would to any other stu­dent, or, given what these women had told me about their desire to write, should I respond not so much as their teacher, but as a more expe­ri­enced writer who had strug­gled with the same prob­lems. (I also was sex­u­ally abused when I was a kid and had been strug­gling for years to write about it in a way that was not merely cathar­tic.) The dif­fer­ences between these two responses had to do with how open I wanted to be with these women about my own expe­ri­ence, and since being open with them about my own expe­ri­ence would inevitably mean a greater degree of close­ness, I had to decide how much I trusted these women.

Largely because I saw this as an oppor­tu­nity to be able to pro­vide for young writ­ers a kind of men­tor­ing I wished had been avail­able to me – in the late 70s and early 80s no one, male or female, wanted to talk about the sex­ual abuse of boys – I decided that I would trust them, and when one of them approached me about doing an inde­pen­dent study, I asked the other to join us, and entered into a teach­ing sit­u­atiuon that truly changed my life. I have writ­ten else­where about the details of this inde­pen­dent study and it’s a long story that I am not going to go into here. So I am going to skip to the end of the semes­ter, when the women had to pre­pare to present their work at a col­lo­quium, a require­ment of inde­pen­dent stud­ies at the school where I teach.

We had spent the semes­ter read­ing mate­r­ial that ranged from James Baldwin’s essays to Andrea Dworkin’s book Inter­course and talk­ing about my stu­dents’ writ­ing, much of which, espe­cially the essays writ­ten by the younger of the two women, was quite explicit and inti­mate. A cou­ple of examples:

  • She wrote graph­i­cally about how for years, as a result of the sex­ual abuse she had sur­vived, sex­ual pen­e­tra­tion was painful for her and she wrote with a sim­i­lar explic­it­ness about the first time she was able to achieve not just orgasm, but plea­sure through pen­e­tra­tion, with a car­ing and con­sid­er­ate lover;
  • she wrote about how she’d expe­ri­enced mas­tur­ba­tion as a form of rebel­lion against a vio­lent and tyrran­i­cal father, which led to con­ver­sa­tion between the women about how each had dis­cov­ered mas­tur­ba­tion and its rela­tion­ship to her sex­u­al­ity and to the abuse she had suf­fered – I remem­ber, in par­tic­u­lar, the moment when the older of the women looked at the younger, and they each smiled sheep­ishly to dis­cover that each had felt, when she began mas­tur­bat­ing that she was the only girl in the world to be doing that; 
  • and she wrote about a sex­ual expe­ri­ence in a car that, because of dif­fi­cul­ties in her prose, led to a con­ver­sa­tion in which I was ask­ing her ques­tions like, “Okay, so in this para­graph he has two fin­gers in you, but then this para­graph makes it sound like he hasn’t inserted any­thing in you yet. Chrono­log­i­cally that doesn’t make sense.” (This is not a pre­cise quote, but the con­ver­sa­tions were that explicit.)

These women, in other words, trusted me with some of the most inti­mate parts of who they were in a way that con­tin­ues to hum­ble me; it was a trust as deep as any­one has ever bestowed upon me in my life. More to the point, this level of trust also made the time we spent together work­ing on my stu­dents’ writ­ing feel sep­a­rate from the aca­d­e­mic con­text in which it was tak­ing place. I was not act­ing as my stu­dents’ ther­a­pist, but I was becom­ing their friend, and we were, in a way, becom­ing a small com­mu­nity of sex­ual abuse sur­vivors who had found each other and were able to offer each other com­fort and sup­port. (I know it was heal­ing for them to be able to be as open with me as they were, and it was sim­i­larly heal­ing for me to be for them the kind of mentor/friend that I wished I had had.)

Once I began to talk to them about the fact that they would have to read their essays pub­licly, how­ever, and once they learned that the audi­ence would include the pres­i­dent of the col­lege and the vice pres­i­dent of aca­d­e­mic affairs, the bub­ble of our lit­tle com­mu­nity burst. The women were very uncom­fort­able with the thought of say­ing out loud what they had had been say­ing pri­vately to me and to each other all semes­ter, but they were even more wor­ried that I might get into trou­ble. Sud­denly, the sex­ual nature of what they’d been writ­ing about, of what they would be say­ing in front of com­plete strangers when they read their essays, hit them, and they real­ized how arti­fi­cial in some ways the pri­vacy we had cul­tu­vated was.

They were wor­ried that they would get yelled at for read­ing things that were inap­pro­pri­ate for an aca­d­e­mic set­ting, and they were wor­ried that some­one would start to ques­tion my motives and accuse me of sex­ual impro­pri­ety. I was not wor­ried about the lat­ter because, after all, if the stu­dents were not going to bring charges, there was noth­ing any­one could do to me, and, as for the for­mer, I told my stu­dents that when I intro­duced them, I would talk about my own expe­ri­ence of try­ing to write about being a sur­vivor of sex­ual abuse, and so any­body who wanted to come at them for being inap­pro­pri­ate, that per­son would have to come through me first.

So we went to the col­lo­quium, I gave my intro­duc­tion, the women read their essays and received stand­ing ova­tions and every­thing was fine, though it was inter­est­ing that no one, except for a cou­ple of stu­dents from the audience, had any­thing to say to me about either the work I had done with those two women or what I had revealed about myself when I intro­duced them. The only thing that hap­pened that con­firmed for my stu­dents that their wor­ries for me had not been unfounded was that one of my female col­leagues asked one of them whose idea it had been to write about sex in the first place, and my stu­dent told me that the way the ques­tion was asked made it very obvi­ous that my col­league was pro­ceed­ing from the assump­tion that I had ini­ti­ated it and that the whole semes­ter had been my way of get­ting my rocks off by talk­ing about sex and get­ting these two young and beau­ti­ful women to reveal the inti­mate details of their sex lives to me.

I don’t nec­es­sar­ily blame my col­league for ask­ing that ques­tion; I would prob­a­bly have done the same thing because there are male teach­ers out there who do get their vic­ar­i­ous thrills by get­ting into the details of their female stu­dents’ sex lives. Nonethe­less, I have to admit that the semes­ter I spent with these two women was one of the most erotic expe­ri­ences I have had and I don’t think that’s some­thing I should hide or be in any way ashamed of. I also think my story, as slop­pily and par­tially as I have told it here, raises some inter­est­ing ques­tions: I pre­sented a paper on this expe­ri­ence at an aca­d­e­mic con­fer­ence, for exam­ple, and some­one in the audi­ence pointed out that it is pos­si­ble to teach stu­dents how to write with­out tur­ing the class­room into a group ther­apy ses­sion. I was fas­ci­nated by this response because it seemed to me that my approach was pre­cisely the oppo­site of the therapist-patient model, where the ther­a­pist rev­e­las absolutely noth­ing about him or her­self. I saw myself and these women in a rela­tion­ship that more closely resem­bled that between a mas­ter and an appren­tice, or men­tor and a mentee, in which the mas­ter inevitably shares some­thing of him or her­self in the process of mod­el­ing what the appren­tice needs to learn.

There is a great deal more to say about this, and per­haps peo­ple will com­ment and a dis­cus­sion will ensue, but I think I am fin­ished writ­ing for now.

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§ 2 Responses to Thinking About Teaching, the Fear of False Rape Accusations and the Erotics of the Classroom"

  • Bitch | Lab says:

    So many things to say on this topic, so lit­tle time. I am really glad, though, that you are broach­ing (and have broached) the topic. Knowl­edge, power, sex — it’s all one big stew in the classroom.

    I think it’s won­der­fully brave that you are talk­ing about it here, too.

    I think one of the prob­lems with talk­ing about it is that we have a hard time think­ing about how sex, power, and knowl­edge are con­nected — and I’m not quite sure how to con­vey this.

    At any rate, I’m going to think on it and see if I come up with any­thing insight­ful. The prob­lem is that talk­ing about this involves so much risk — even with the anonymity of blogs — that I hesitate.

  • Thanks, Bitch|Lab, and you’re right, we do have a hard time – all of us, this cul­ture – talk­ing about how knowl­edge, sex and power con­nect, not only in the class­room, but I think espe­cially in the class­room. Par­tially, I think much of the prob­lem stems from the fact that peo­ple are unwill­ing to be hon­est about their own desires, not sim­ply in terms of, say, polit­i­cally incor­rect sex­ual fan­tasies (which are often about con­nect­ing knowl­edge, sex and power in “inap­pro­pri­ate” ways), but also, and less obvi­ously sex­u­ally, in terms of who we want to be in the world. I would be lying – and I think any teacher who really cares about teach­ing would be lying – if I said I did not get a phys­i­cal charge out of doing my job well, whether it’s giv­ing a lec­ture that really works, watch­ing a class­room group-work sit­u­a­tion play itself out in ways that changes stu­dents’ minds, or the more inti­mate kind of inter­ac­tion I described in the fourth inci­dent in my post, and I think it is also dis­hon­est not to acknowl­edge that phys­i­cal charge as erotic (in the largest, cap­i­tal E sense of that word), as some­thing that is perce­vi­able in me by my stu­dents and as some­thing they they react to. I also think it is a fun­da­men­tal denial of the per­son­hood of the teacher and the stu­dents involved not to look at the ways in which the gen­ders of all involved shape the way this thing that I am say­ing is per­ceiv­able in me and, by exten­sion, all teach­ers, shapes student-teacher interactions.

    Any­way, as you said, there is a great deal to say about this, and I have a lot of other work to do today, so I am going to stop here. I hope you do find some­thing that you are will­ing to talk about here.

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